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You shouldn't have the boat started when someone is on the back deck. I got the scars on my legs to prove it, 7yrs old pops starts the boat, 25 stitches.
 

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Sorry guys, I was ready to jump on your bandwagon and I do agree that hanging off the back is dangerous but...I had NO idea of the Carbon Monoxide problem with the back of the boat. And if Mastercraft found it nessessary to put warnings on the new boats, the industry has the responsability to inform the public. What's so hard about that?
 

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nedro : Sorry guys, I was ready to jump on your bandwagon and I do agree that hanging off the back is dangerous but...I had NO idea of the Carbon Monoxide problem with the back of the boat. And if Mastercraft found it nessessary to put warnings on the new boats, the industry has the responsability to inform the public. What's so hard about that?
*Not trying to start a fued*
BUT...I would hope an adult that had enough responsibility to father/mother a child into this world would have enough 'common sense' to know that the exhaust ports (at the back of the boat) will emit a poisonous gas (just like the car - from which numerous stories of asphyxiation have been told). Do manufacturers have to start placing large stickers on EVERYTHING they sell that state, 'do not use if you are a moron'?

*sorry for the bantering - no personal attacks, just tired of parents neglecting their children. And in general - people blaming others for their personal mistakes.
 

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ConqSoft : I think the dad should be charged, since he didn't make his kid wear a life jacket.  Is that not a law in CA like it is here?
No, you're only required to have one for each person on the boat...but they don't have to wear them
 

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Mattress : Quote (ConqSoft @ June 24 2003, 4:12am)I think the dad should be charged, since he didn't make his kid wear a life jacket.  Is that not a law in CA like it is here?
No, you're only required to have one for each person on the boat...but they don't have to wear them
Even for children?
 

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It isn't required, by law, that you teach a child how to cross the street, or help them across while they are young. But, if you watch one walk out into a dangerous intersection you can still get brought up on choices of negligance (yea, I spelled it wrong, probably).

Thing is, just because something isn't required by law doesn't mean it isn't 'reasonable caution' and that you can't end up in trouble because you didn't do it.

Warning labels on boats? What the hell is next, warning labels on streets? 'Caution, if you step out here while the big shiny things are moving, you may get squished.'

We're turning into a society that actively works against natural selection.
 

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A versy sad accident and unfortunate loss of life, but here's my thoughts:

A- The kid should have had a life jacket on- PERIOD!
B- What father in their right mind would pull their kid behind a boat within foots reach of a spinning propeller?

When is the court system going to finally say enough is enough. If you are too f*cking dumb to operate anything correctly and use common sense and some kind of good judgement before doing something, then you get what you deserve!

I don't mean to sound caullous, but I'm tired of people blaming their poor judgement on corporations. If they would use equipment in the way intended they would not have a problem.
 

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'If they would use equipment in the way intended they would not have a problem.'

Therein lies the rub. With Xtreme sports, Jackass and other cool things to watch on TV, people are using broomsticks for dildos and suing O'Cedar for not warning about the possibility of splinters. Sheeesh enough already . . .
 

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ConqSoft : Quote (Mattress @ June 24 2003, 4:18pm)Quote (ConqSoft @ June 24 2003, 4:12am)I think the dad should be charged, since he didn't make his kid wear a life jacket.  Is that not a law in CA like it is here?
No, you're only required to have one for each person on the boat...but they don't have to wear them
Even for children?
yep
 

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This is the kind of stupidity that is going to ruin everything fun for everybody. Do you really have to tell people don't put your mouth on the tailpipe. The same thing is going on in motorcycling. Just wait till someone sues the manufacturer because they didn't warn that stunting kills.
 

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Let me rephrase when I said 'if people would use equipment in the way intended, they wouldn't have a problem.' If you're an adult and you have children, use anything and everything in the most responsible manner and for its 'intended use'- especially our fun motorized toys. But, if you're an adult, have at using things for other than their intended purposes. If you're old enough to vote or drink, you're old enough to use some judgement before taking action. My bike wasn't intended to do rolling stoppies, but it does, and if I f*ck up doing it, it's my own damn fault.
 

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Geez, that's horrible. I've never heard of someone dropping from CO poisoning skiing, boarding, etc. behind a boat. Most boats' exhaust is vented through the water. These ski boats must be different.

On the other note, I've never done any kind of watersports without a vest when it comes to being towed. Anything can happen, you can get knocked unconscious just hitting the water after a bad wake jump if you hit hard enough. I can understand not wearing one if you're operating the boat, but not anything outside the safety of it's walls. That's just asking for trouble.

Sorry to hear about the kid ... that sucks.
 

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Quote Scott Nakaji, sector superintendent at Folsom Lake, said it is unclear how prevalent 'teak surfing' is locally, but added that boaters potentially could be cited both for negligent operation and allowing a person under 12 to be on a boat without a life preserver
Apparently those under 12 have to always have a vest.
 

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I've been following this a bit....the only person with any culpability in the matter is the father....imho, he should be charged with manslaughter.

The thing he was allowing his kid to do, is the marine version of letting an 11 year old hold onto a car bumper while riding a skateboard, any moron should be aware of the danger, not just from the propellor, but also the transom exhaust.

He should go straight to focking jail.....the only lawyer he should need is for his own defense...
 

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You guys still haven't convinced me that the industry does not have to say anything about the pocket of carbon monoxide that developes at the back of a boat. I've never heard of ANYONE colapsing at a drag race or at the motorcycle track due to standing next to a vehical. Only in a closed garage. HOW FRIGGIN HARD WOULD IT BE TO TELL THE BUYER THAT!!!
 

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nedro : Sorry guys, I was ready to jump on your bandwagon and I do agree that hanging off the back is dangerous but...I had NO idea of the Carbon Monoxide problem with the back of the boat. And if Mastercraft found it nessessary to put warnings on the new boats, the industry has the responsability to inform the public. What's so hard about that?
I respectfully disagree....

If a few dumbasses killed their kids by pulling them on skateboards behind their mini-vans, no one in his right mind would suggest that we need warning stickers....
 
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