It has traditionally been their policy that turbos add unneccesary heat, complexity and premature wear, and therefore they have come up with stuff like VTEC to extract maximum power without boost.luvtolean said:A turbo motor from Honda. Fascinating. Normally they're a very emissions minded company, and turbos don't really fit into that.
Is this their first time in a car or SUV?
And CART. And streetbikes as mentioned.Linus said:I believe it is a first for a street motor-but I think honda had played with turbo's in F1 for a while.
I don’t think turbo every went away, I mean almost all manufactures have at least one or more models using a turbo. One of my favorites, the 911 turbo. :drool:luvtolean said:And CART. And streetbikes as mentioned.
But never in cars.
One of the biggest problems with turbos has always been emissions. Turbos can pull enough heat out of the exhaust that catylizers don't work nearly as well. It's one of the reasons after huge interest in the 80's, they went away.
I wonder if the same thing that created the "turbo boom" in the late 70's and 80's (recent memory of high fuel costs) is what's driving this?
They're trying to make them clean. It's a tough job, diesels are very dirty. I seriously doubt it will be $3k.phobiaphobe said:Speaking of turbos, the Duramax gets a variable-geomoetry hair-dryer next year and a particulate filter to comply with strict diesel emission laws coming in. It's said to cost GM an extra 3 grand per truck.
Seems they're trying to legislate diesels out of the market in America. :banghead:
I don't doubt these numbers are being talked about, but car makers always exaggerate the costs of changing things. I remember when air bags were going to add $2k to the cost of every car too. For that matter, so do the manufacturing guys at my company.GM's upgrades won't be cheap. The particulate filter and oxidizing catalytic converter, for example, could add at least $3,000 to the cost of building the truck.
The estimate is based on hardware costs for older diesels that have been retrofitted with filters and related equipment. GM won't confirm the figures.
http://powersports.honda.com/watercraft/model.asp?ModelName=AquaTrax+R%2D12X&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=ARX12T26phobiaphobe said:I can't think of another Honda that's had a turbo, other than a few motorcycles years ago.
Less than the cost of the unions per vehicle? Nobody gave me the choice of not paying that either.phobiaphobe said:Depends how they amortize it long-term. And don't kid yourself... car prices have been inflated badly by safety and emissions legislation. (and maybe you're in favour of airbags, but my point is you don't have a choice)
I've never been a fan of environmental regs that specify the method of pollution reduction, just tell the engineers what they need to meet in terms of emissions.I'm not engineer, but personally I think more and more elaborate catalysts and squirting urea into exhaust are ways to pass emissions tests, not ways to improve our air quality. :twocents: