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A turbo motor from Honda. Fascinating. Normally they're a very emissions minded company, and turbos don't really fit into that.

Is this their first time in a car or SUV?
 

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luvtolean said:
A turbo motor from Honda. Fascinating. Normally they're a very emissions minded company, and turbos don't really fit into that.

Is this their first time in a car or SUV?
It has traditionally been their policy that turbos add unneccesary heat, complexity and premature wear, and therefore they have come up with stuff like VTEC to extract maximum power without boost.

I can't think of another Honda that's had a turbo, other than a few motorcycles years ago.

+1 to Purp... throw this motor in the TSX with an AWD system and that would be a wicked luxury WRX slayer.
 

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I believe it is a first for a street motor-but I think honda had played with turbo's in F1 for a while.
And CART. And streetbikes as mentioned.

But never in cars.

One of the biggest problems with turbos has always been emissions. Turbos can pull enough heat out of the exhaust that catylizers don't work nearly as well. It's one of the reasons after huge interest in the 80's, they went away.

I wonder if the same thing that created the "turbo boom" in the late 70's and 80's (recent memory of high fuel costs) is what's driving this?
 

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Speaking of turbos, the Duramax gets a variable-geomoetry hair-dryer next year and a particulate filter to comply with strict diesel emission laws coming in. It's said to cost GM an extra 3 grand per truck.

Seems they're trying to legislate diesels out of the market in America. :banghead:
 

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luvtolean said:
And CART. And streetbikes as mentioned.

But never in cars.

One of the biggest problems with turbos has always been emissions. Turbos can pull enough heat out of the exhaust that catylizers don't work nearly as well. It's one of the reasons after huge interest in the 80's, they went away.

I wonder if the same thing that created the "turbo boom" in the late 70's and 80's (recent memory of high fuel costs) is what's driving this?
I don’t think turbo every went away, I mean almost all manufactures have at least one or more models using a turbo. One of my favorites, the 911 turbo. :drool:
 

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Instead of "went away" perhaps a better term would've been, became less popular.

In the early 90's, there weren't many turbo'd cars on the market in the US. Outside of some Dodge stuff, it was mostly niche vehicles like the 911.
 

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Speaking of turbos, the Duramax gets a variable-geomoetry hair-dryer next year and a particulate filter to comply with strict diesel emission laws coming in. It's said to cost GM an extra 3 grand per truck.

Seems they're trying to legislate diesels out of the market in America. :banghead:
They're trying to make them clean. It's a tough job, diesels are very dirty. I seriously doubt it will be $3k.

I'm glad they're doing it. :thumb:
 

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GM's upgrades won't be cheap. The particulate filter and oxidizing catalytic converter, for example, could add at least $3,000 to the cost of building the truck.

The estimate is based on hardware costs for older diesels that have been retrofitted with filters and related equipment. GM won't confirm the figures.
I don't doubt these numbers are being talked about, but car makers always exaggerate the costs of changing things. I remember when air bags were going to add $2k to the cost of every car too. For that matter, so do the manufacturing guys at my company.

GM probably doesn't want to make the changes. Of course they're making noise.
 

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Depends how they amortize it long-term. And don't kid yourself... car prices have been inflated badly by safety and emissions legislation. (and maybe you're in favour of airbags, but my point is you don't have a choice)

I'm not engineer, but personally I think more and more elaborate catalysts and squirting urea into exhaust are ways to pass emissions tests, not ways to improve our air quality. :twocents:
 

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Well, from GM's POV, you are right. They are ways to pass emissions tests. They don't care how much they pollute the air.

But emissions tests do result in cars that pollute less when used. Dramatically less than 20 years ago.
 

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Ah yeah, their water roaches too.
 

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Depends how they amortize it long-term. And don't kid yourself... car prices have been inflated badly by safety and emissions legislation. (and maybe you're in favour of airbags, but my point is you don't have a choice)
Less than the cost of the unions per vehicle? Nobody gave me the choice of not paying that either.

I wonder if the price of an entry level vehicle has risen in comparison to inflation over the years?

Anyways,

I'm not engineer, but personally I think more and more elaborate catalysts and squirting urea into exhaust are ways to pass emissions tests, not ways to improve our air quality. :twocents:
I've never been a fan of environmental regs that specify the method of pollution reduction, just tell the engineers what they need to meet in terms of emissions.
 
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