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Ferrari team leader, Michael Schumacher has warned MotoGP ace Valentino Rossi that he could struggle to find that 'last little bit' of speed needed to be competitive, if he moves to F1.


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stegen said:
I would love to see rossi go into F1 and win the first year. man would that be funny
Never happen. Especially with the Ferrari.
For starters, the Ferrari team got killed by the quick and idiotic rule changes just before this season started, and now going to a completely new engine configuration next year will put them behind a bit more. Both Honda and Toyota have a boatload of V8 racing technology. Ferrari will be alright, but not the uber-dominant team they would have to be for Rossi to even do well.
Second, there are at least ten better drivers than he in F1.
Third, he will play second fiddle to Schumi in ways no teammate of Rossi has ever seen.
 

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Never happen. Especially with the Ferrari.
For starters, the Ferrari team got killed by the quick and idiotic rule changes just before this season started, and now going to a completely new engine configuration next year will put them behind a bit more. Both Honda and Toyota have a boatload of V8 racing technology. Ferrari will be alright, but not the uber-dominant team they would have to be for Rossi to even do well.
Second, there are at least ten better drivers than he in F1.
Third, he will play second fiddle to Schumi in ways no teammate of Rossi has ever seen.
Yep. Winning the Dart championship in your local pub doesn't get you into the front row in a gunfight . . .
 

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Yep. Winning the Dart championship in your local pub doesn't get you into the front row in a gunfight . . .
OMG :rotfl:

maybe in Italy it does :huh:
 

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Ferrari team leader, Michael Schumacher has warned MotoGP ace Valentino Rossi that he could struggle to find that 'last little bit' of speed needed to be competitive, if he moves to F1.


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It'll be definitely tough for him, but I wouldn't bet against him. People (GP riders in the paddock) said a lot worse about the M1 and his chances on it and you see how that worked out. :eyebrows:
 

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Re: Schumi on Rossi

abtech said:
Yep. Winning the Dart championship in your local pub doesn't get you into the front row in a gunfight . . .
:lmao: Hey, anybody that WANTS front row in a gunfight can have my spot!



Deez, Rossi's an extraordinary rider, and there is precedent - but I think Surtees and Hailwood had more auto racing under their belt than Vale at this point.

Maybe he'll be about as good as Jordan at baseball!:D
 

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He'll get to some sort of 4 wheel racing - without a doubt.:hmm:

Whether or not its F1 - that'll depend on how much $$ he can bring to the team.
 

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I believe Ferrarri will do better this year now that F1 is allowing tire changes again, those Bstones will be more competitive this year. kimi and alonso will have to be on the watch for that sleek ferrarri V8 this year.
 

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I believe Ferrarri will do better this year now that F1 is allowing tire changes again, those Bstones will be more competitive this year. kimi and alonso will have to be on the watch for that sleek ferrarri V8 this year.
I agree, and kimi in the Ferrari in 2007.....

Rossi might drive red bull, but not Ferrari in 07.
 

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I don't see any current F1 drivers going over to MotoGP for a challenge!

With time and some more experience I think Rossi would do well, winning a championship, I'm not sure.
 

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I believe Ferrarri will do better this year now that F1 is allowing tire changes again, those Bstones will be more competitive this year. kimi and alonso will have to be on the watch for that sleek ferrarri V8 this year.
I totally agree, which is why I stated they'd be alright. I think that is the single most idiotic rule they have ever forced on the teams. And it was done for one reason only - to stop Ferrari. And it worked.
I still think both the Toyota and Honda engines will be better from the get go. They've been building racing V8s for many years. Ferrari will catch up, maybe in '07, but not this year unfortunately.
It's also looking like everyone will be on Bridgestones soon.
 

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Here's a question... what's the displacement limit now vs next year? Is there really going to be that much engine development, or could Renault merely eliminate 2 cylinders, adjust the bore and call it good?

I realize the car will have to be built, geared, and balanced accordingly...
 

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Here's a question... what's the displacement limit now vs next year? Is there really going to be that much engine development, or could Renault merely eliminate 2 cylinders, adjust the bore and call it good?

I realize the car will have to be built, geared, and balanced accordingly...
It's down to 2.4L V8s... There are balancing and rev limit concerns as to why they can't just whack 2 of the cylinders off of their V10s. The new V8s no doubt will be revving 22K to 24K is rumored. The V10s would go a few K less in bursts at slower tracks and long tracks like monza will really tell who has done the R&D on their V8s that are at 100% throttle for 80-90% of the race...
 

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It's down to 2.4L V8s... There are balancing and rev limit concerns as to why they can't just whack 2 of the cylinders off of their V10s. The new V8s no doubt will be revving 22K to 24K is rumored. The V10s would go a few K less in bursts at slower tracks and long tracks like monza will really tell who has done the R&D on their V8s that are at 100% throttle for 80-90% of the race...
:eek: I didn't know they reved that high. but I guess it makes sense thinking about it because a 2.4 v8 will only have slightly larger cylinders than a I4 1000cc bike. And it is a full on race motor with all the bells and whistles.

I still want a BMW M1 engine from the early 80s. something like 1000hp from I think a 1.8L. Not that I could do anything with it.
 

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the revised engine formula has been one of the talking points in F1 for the last year, with the three-litre V10s of the past being replaced by all-new 2.4-litre V8s. The switch has forced each team - or, more specifically, its engine supplier - to rethink their calculations, with the V8s being heavier, shorter and, due to the 600cc reduction in capacity, having a lower output and fuel consumption.

The different firing sequences and intervals compared to the V10 have also led to a completely new situation in terms of vibration. With a speed range that exceeded
19,000rpm, the V10 hit a critical zone between 12,000 and 14,000rpm, but the engine spent very little time in that band and smoothed itself out as the revs were stepped up. However,it is precisely in that range that the V8 encounters problems, with its vibration curve entering the challenging territory later than the V10, starting at around 16,000rpm and becoming more critical from there on, impacting on the stability of vehicle components. Despite that, however, the engines still have to last two full grand prix meetings, just like their V10 predecessors..
from:

http://www.crash.net/news_view.asp?cid=1&id=124058&pid=1

Cool stuff...
 
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