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Okay, maybe it's not a common complaint, but shifting on my new (to me) 929 seems very cobbly, and if I'm not firm enough (too firm?!?!), I sometimes have the shifter bouncing in la-la-land... Does the Factory pro shift kit with that Evo Star thingy work? Anyone have experience with this? The Honda is growing on me (I'm usually a dyed-in-the-wool Suzuki guy), but I had a rought time rowing through the gear box through Mulholland Highway (and all of the related "veins") this past Sunday... Any ideas or suggestions? :idunno: TIA!
 

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I don't use the clutch to upshift and never have a problem,some say using a good synthetic oil helps.Check you're shift linkage/clutch cable adjustment and freeplay maybe dude who had it before you crashed and something is bent on the linkage.
 

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There was a lot of threads on the old site about this. You're not alone, but just about everyone has dialed it in to smooth out either through adjusting the shift linkage (like jafo posted) so that the shifter is lower (if not reversed pattern) so that your ankle movement is not maxed before shifter is completely in the next gear. I had a hell of a time (even took it the dealers) when I first had my 929. I believe through adjusting the shift lever and break-in period (don't know how many miles you have) it should smooth itself out. I went to the reversed pattern shifter (no linkage) and still had periodic mis-shifts, but adjusted my pedal higher and have nearly eliminated mis-shifts. I don't buy the synthetic oil solution, although others swear by it's smoothness.

Anyways, you're not alone - but should smooth out, otherwise we're talking transmission shift forks(?).
 

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Thanks for the input, guys. I really don't pussy-foot the shifter--and this gear box can in no way ever be accused of being butter-smooth (especially as compared to the one's on every single Suzuki I've ever owned). I have the lever adjusted pretty low, and the linkage is nice and tight. I have a set of Attack Rear Sests with adjustable throw ratios, so I'll see if that helps (just waiting on a couple of parts). If not, I think I'll spend the dosh and order up the Factory shift kit with that throwing star thingy... :eyebrows:

On a different note, I spoke to Attack about reversing the shift pattern, and they pretty much told me I was SOL, unless I space the linkage out (I've always run reverse pattern)--but now I've read that Sato rearsets are "reversible," or that I can use a VFR lever--which VFR? Thanks again!!
 

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GP Shift Kit
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Part Number: 24701-MAT-000
Description: PEDAL, GEARSHIF
Price: $22.66

Part Number: 24781-KR3-770
Description: RUBBER, CHANGE
Price: $1.38

Part Number: 90051-KS7-830
Description: BOLT, FLANGE (6
Price: $0.88
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total $24.92+shipping

these prices are from www.ronayersmotorsports.com
 

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SuperDave said:
GP Shift Kit
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Part Number: 24701-MAT-000
Description: PEDAL, GEARSHIF
Price: $22.66

Part Number: 24781-KR3-770
Description: RUBBER, CHANGE
Price: $1.38

Part Number: 90051-KS7-830
Description: BOLT, FLANGE (6
Price: $0.88
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total $24.92+shipping
these prices are from www.ronayersmotorsports.com
what he said.cheapest way to reverse the shift pattern on this bike.
 

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One thing that wasn't mentioned in the replies so far is to pre-load your shift lever prior to rolling off the gas, then hold the lever up (or down) until the shift is completely finished.
 

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The Sato shifter is reversible. Simple change to do if you decide to go that route. If you stick with the stock rearsets and want GP shifting than the VFR shifter mod SuperDave mentioned is the way to go. As for the smoothness of the transmission, Honda's heve never been known to be "silky" smooth. I have heard and read though, that Suzukis are known for their buttery shifting...

Oh, and welcome to the .org! :D
 

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The "Synthetic oil solution" is more than a myth, provided it's real synthetic oil and you don't attempt to guage any changes until it has been changed out at least twice. I have never used the AMsoil, although several members swear by it and it is relatively inexpensive. If you are serious and don't mind paying for performance, check out the Motul 300V 0W30. If NH looks at this thread, I belive he will affirm that my 929 shifted pretty smoothly (an understatement) using this oil.

If you actually have a problem, I wouldn't look at the shift forks. First you need to identify the gear that you are shifting INTO that is a problem, and then send that gear (and it's 2 partners unless it's first or sixth) out to a decent shop and get them undercut and rehardened. The shift dogs are the primary cause of missed shifts, "false neutrals" (a serious misnomer) and popping out of gear under acceleration.

The Factory Pro shift kit will help, but in addition to rounding the dogs ever further, it's only a bandaid. Get the tranny undercut = end of problem.
 

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Abtech is definately correct with his info as usual. APE does this type of thing. I talked with them the other day regarding a friends R1 with shifting problems. They said it is only necessary for a street/novice racer to do undercutting for up shifting only. It costs about $260 and they told me there is about a three week turn around.
 

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Jake said:
Abtech is definately correct with his info as usual. APE does this type of thing. I talked with them the other day regarding a friends R1 with shifting problems. They said it is only necessary for a street/novice racer to do undercutting for up shifting only. It costs about $260 and they told me there is about a three week turn around.
As an aside, Superbike Mike Engineering (Superbike Mike) has cut all of my trannies and they shift better than 98% of everything I have ridden. I don't know what kind of dollars he gets for a full gearbox, but it's well worth the investment in my opinion. He has also "repaired" a few TZ second gear cogs and they were better than the original.
 

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The Sato shifter is reversible. Simple change to do if you decide to go that route. If you stick with the stock rearsets and want GP shifting than the VFR shifter mod SuperDave mentioned is the way to go. As for the smoothness of the transmission, Honda's heve never been known to be "silky" smooth. I have heard and read though, that Suzukis are known for their buttery shifting...

Oh, and welcome to the .org! :D
Thanks! The Sato's look "sexy," but they would be hard to justify while holding this nice set of Attack rearsets... Hmmm... May just have to 'bay the Attacks.

I normally use Mobile One in my bikes, and will see if that helps my 929 at the next oil change (in about 300 miles--the original owner used Honda Line oil).

Regarding undercutting trannies, it has been my experience that undercutting the gears usually makes for a stronger, but clunkier, gear box. Now abtech's experience has me wondering... I guess that would be my last resort if I thought I did some damage to the box. I don't think I'm there yet, but I'll wait and see how all of this turns out. Thanks again!
 

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Since nobody actually answered the initial question about the FactoryPro mod......... I did it to mine and it actually did make the shifts notably smoother, and did decrease the missed-shift syndrome. :welcome:
 

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Wow Ronayers sure jacked up their price for this stuff. I got a total of $33.15 +$7 for shipping. $40.15 almost twice what I thought it was gonna cost :thumbd: .

Anyone know of a cheaper place to get this VFR shifter? Or a cheaper way of reversing the shift pattern?
 

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The "Synthetic oil solution" is more than a myth, provided it's real synthetic oil and you don't attempt to guage any changes until it has been changed out at least twice. I have never used the AMsoil, although several members swear by it and it is relatively inexpensive. If you are serious and don't mind paying for performance, check out the Motul 300V 0W30. If NH looks at this thread, I belive he will affirm that my 929 shifted pretty smoothly (an understatement) using this oil.

If you actually have a problem, I wouldn't look at the shift forks. First you need to identify the gear that you are shifting INTO that is a problem, and then send that gear (and it's 2 partners unless it's first or sixth) out to a decent shop and get them undercut and rehardened. The shift dogs are the primary cause of missed shifts, "false neutrals" (a serious misnomer) and popping out of gear under acceleration.

The Factory Pro shift kit will help, but in addition to rounding the dogs ever further, it's only a bandaid. Get the tranny undercut = end of problem.
Yep---my tranny was totally hosed after 15K track miles--falls out of 2nd-5th--like Abtech siad---shifting dogs are suspect---someday Ill need to fix it. New shifting dogs/undercut gears/some new gears sounds like the proper fix--I did tons of clutchless upshifts (and a few down shifts)---I am NOT convinced that this didnt contribute to its early demise--but 15K hard track miles can be tough on a bike.
 

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Fourth gear on my 54 was suspect from the minute I got the bike. It started as missed shifts or false neutrals and over time got so bad it would jump out of fourth all the time by the 10k mile mark. This ONLY happened with fourth - never had a problem with any other gear. Fourth is now essentially gone completely.

I guess its' rare but it does happen. Yes, I flog my bike pretty hard.
 
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