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I saw one at the CycleWorld show, spinning around on the carousel but I didn't get to sit on one and fully check it out until today. It's very nice, looks really put together, fit and finish is excellent, the quality looked better than Honda's stuff in the past. Maybe that is just me :idunno: but the bike looked and felt solid. All this stuff about the radical ergos weren't true. Not for me anyways, I'm 6'2" and the riding position felt nice. The rearsets/footpegs felt natural, and I could tell the bars were lower, after sitting back to back with a 954rr, but it felt good enough, and better than BDA's love ('04 R1). As we've all read, there is 0 room in the tail, zilch. A wallet would fit on the right, a cellphone (small one) on the left, and nothing more. Throw a PCIIIr back there, and whatever other box (Speedo recal., tail integrator, etc) and it's done completely. The dash is really sweet, the levers were too high (not uncommon until you adjust them to your liking), seat is better than the 954rr, softer. What else? One of the hoses on the bottom of the bike is routed through the right side lower, not underneath. Maybe this dealership just jacked that up :idunno: Idle adjustment is on the left instead of the right.... Bike looks and feels tiny, steering damper looks bulky, screen needs to be a little higher, radiator is massive, the fenderectomy looks real easy to do, and the rear resevoir is kind of trick. Overall I was really impressed, the bike feels nice perched on top of it. From what I've read, I expected sort of a rack, the seat to bars worked for me. To me, the quality is what I remember. The bike really looks well put together, the mirrors are kind of a new design at the base also. Quality product.

I talked to the owner, kind of know the guy already, he wanted me to buy it, but I wasn't going to pay MSRP + $800 freight/setup + TTL. I said "I'm not a sucker and you know that." This is the same guy that thought I was bullshitting when i gave them the invoice on it, until he checked it himself ;)
He said "I've sold everyone R1 for that" , I told him to call me when the suckers are done spending their money and he laughed. Someone needs to give us a ride report ;) If you are buying one, I don't think you'll be disappointed, it's a very sweet machine. And oh yeah, that grey lower, you don't even think about it, it looks sweet in person, it's a small bike.
 

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I sat on one yesterday and I agree with everything Booth said (except I still don't like the gray lower panel). I definitely think the black one will be sweet!

Booth - did you notice the appearance of a much longer wheelbase as I did? The longer swingarm and tail really stood out to me, making the bike look long and lean.
 

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For what it's worth...

I called the shop out here yesterday while on lunch to see if they had any R1s or CBRs on the floor for me to see in person. The guy I talked to is pretty much the only guy there I trust (he was the one who came over to my place and helped me remove and install my forks). He was all over the CBR's jock. In his words, "You don't want to see or ride the bike, because you'll buy it. The suspension is the best I've ever experienced on a stock bike. I've ridden modified bikes with Ohlins and this felt every bit as good. It's comfortable, has plenty of power, and is planted." Hey, it's only his opinion, but it was worth hearing, as he's been a die-hard Yamaha R1/FZ1 rider for years. He's been bashing Honda for 3 years now. I was definitely surprised to hear what he had to say.

Hey, everyone is going to have an opinion and only you can decide for yourself which bike you like, but I found it interesting to hear this from a competent rider and mechanic who's bashed Honda for years. Personally, the ZX-10 has attracted my attention the most. I think it's going to be the best track/race platform.

Edit: Oh yeah, kudos to you for using the invoice price to set these dealers straight. If they call your bluff, ask to see their dealer information ON HONDA LETTERHEAD. You might as well have one tell you to your face that he's not willing to sell the bike for less than xxxx rather than try and tack on bogus setup fees to take you as an uninformed buyer.
 

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Just got off the phone w/ my dealer to see if they got one in yet. Came in yesterday, and it's already gone :idunno: They're getting their next one in 2 wks, hopefully I can get in there and sit on one before it's OTD
 

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I sat on one yesterday and I agree with everything Booth said (except I still don't like the gray lower panel). I definitely think the black one will be sweet!

Booth - did you notice the appearance of a much longer wheelbase as I did? The longer swingarm and tail really stood out to me, making the bike look long and lean.
Yep, long and lean, and the bike looks very small. :thumb:
 

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Edit: Oh yeah, kudos to you for using the invoice price to set these dealers straight. If they call your bluff, ask to see their dealer information ON HONDA LETTERHEAD. You might as well have one tell you to your face that he's not willing to sell the bike for less than xxxx rather than try and tack on bogus setup fees to take you as an uninformed buyer.
It's not on Cyclecost yet, but I know a guy, anyway, I knew the invoice price. I talked to the parts guy while picking up some new caliper bolts, and he said they don't get their stuff crated to the dealership. Only older dealerships can have stuff crated, the newer ones have to pay some service to drop off the bikes, and they are already put together. And lastly he said, there is a local warehouse that puts the bikes together and transports them to the dealership. This could be true, but I just had a big smile on my face. These dealerships crack me up.
 

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I sat on one at the Cycle Show and the ergos felt great to me...more like you're sitting in the bike instead of on top of it.

My local dealer told me the same thing about using a setup service that handles many of the dealers in the region. The bikes arrive at the shop ready to go on the floor.

Booth...what is the invoice price for the 1000RR?
 

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Interesting Peter, maybe it wasn't bullshit :idunno:
I didn't want to post the invoice in a thread but fuck it! They've not helped me any ;) $9479 is the invoice price. Don't know what the holdback is yet, probably 5% per normal. Both dealerships I've talked to want MSRP + $800 freight/prep + TTL.
 

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booth23 said:
Interesting Peter, maybe it wasn't bullshit :idunno:
I didn't want to post the invoice in a thread but fuck it! They've not helped me any ;) $9479 is the invoice price. Don't know what the holdback is yet, probably 5% per normal. Both dealerships I've talked to want MSRP + $800 freight/prep + TTL.
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booth23 said:
Interesting Peter, maybe it wasn't bullshit :idunno:
I didn't want to post the invoice in a thread but fuck it! They've not helped me any ;) $9479 is the invoice price. Don't know what the holdback is yet, probably 5% per normal. Both dealerships I've talked to want MSRP + $800 freight/prep + TTL.
Thanks Booth...I didn't stop to think about posting the price here since invoice pricing is readily available on the internet for just about everything these days. My local shop has a sign on their 1000RR for $11,500! :sless: I'm sure that doesn't include TTL either. I think the MSRP is $10,999...
 

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Yes it is, it's $10,999 but who pays that other than suckers? I've never paid that for a bike, never will, nor for a cage. Ahhh, I want to rant but I won't :crap: I'm ready to buy one and ride it and can't. Patience young grasshoppa :smilebig:

Guys in the South east are getting them for $10.5k OTD to $11k OTD, that is what makes it sting.
 

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booth23 said:
It's not on Cyclecost yet, but I know a guy, anyway, I knew the invoice price. I talked to the parts guy while picking up some new caliper bolts, and he said they don't get their stuff crated to the dealership. Only older dealerships can have stuff crated, the newer ones have to pay some service to drop off the bikes, and they are already put together. And lastly he said, there is a local warehouse that puts the bikes together and transports them to the dealership. This could be true, but I just had a big smile on my face. These dealerships crack me up.
I know my dealer uses this service. I've seen the delivery truck....they just roll the bikes out and they're ready to go. No crates anywhere.
 

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Yep, I've seen them on trailers going down the highway all prepped and ready to go.
 

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Your eagerness to have one is exactly the reason they're selling for MSRP. :) The dealers are going to sell them for whatever they can. The few R1s and CBRs at CVPS have sold for sticker. Why sell it to you at a discount when the know that someone else will walk through the door and pay what they ask? That's just another reason to wait until the Fall to buy one. ;) By then, a recall might have been performed and you'll be able to get more feedback regarding all four bikes.
 

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Oh yeah, what about that shop in Mississippi that buys in bulk and sells at or below invoice?
Your first post, yup, but I'm not a sucker, I'll wait. I'll just bend the stealer over that much more ;) BTW, one is sitting on the floor at the local stealer, no one has a deposit on it. If it was my business, I'd want it gone, even if that mean knocking a couple of hundred off the freight/setup and MSRP, but that is me.

Lake Hill motors, they now require a signature in person to sign for the shipping.
 

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I'm paying 11,500 out the door in California, just waiting for my bike to arrive. Dealer is throwing in 15% lifetime discount on everything else other than bikes because I have had problems with my 600rr. Some people dont mind paying more to have it now, it's not that they are suckers. It's all relative.
 

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Yes it is, it's $10,999 but who pays that other than suckers? I've never paid that for a bike, never will, nor for a cage. Ahhh, I want to rant but I won't :crap: I'm ready to buy one and ride it and can't. Patience young grasshoppa :smilebig:

Guys in the South east are getting them for $10.5k OTD to $11k OTD, that is what makes it sting.
the 1 and only dealer within an hour gave me a "no deal whatsoever no matter cash buy or whatever for the first 3 bikes" said the 1st two were already spoken for 2 weeks ago. So i somewhat know the owner & put my calls in, best they offered me on the 3rd was $11,160 OTD :thumbd: and then he said he couldnt even gaurantee me it would be my color choice (all black)

now that my 98 900RR is gone i'm missing a bike :(
 
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