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I'm currently on a short trip through northern europe (Germany and Scandinavia) and have been watching out for bikes.

This is my observation, either bikes are old single cylinders from the 80s, or they are 900rrs?

Why? :idunno: I do know bikes are very very expensive here and have to pass all sorts of emission and other tests, but still. I would say that 75% of the bikes I've seen are 900rrs.

Info please :thumb:!!
 

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900RR's are popular here but 75% :eek:

Couldn't find statistics on older bikes but new bike statistics from Finland 2008:
  1. Honda 1 664
  2. Suzuki 1 547
  3. Yamaha 1 540
  4. Kawasaki 1 017
  5. Harley-Davidson 924
  6. KTM 621
  7. BMW 549
  8. Piaggio 484
  9. Husqvarna 380
  10. Triumph 341
  1. Yamaha YZF-R125 495
  2. Suzuki GSX1300R 431
  3. Honda CBR125R 321
  4. Husqvarna SM/WR125 317
  5. Suzuki GSF1250S 259
  6. Kawasaki Z750 247
  7. Yamaha FJR1300 197
  8. Yamaha FZ-1 196
  9. Piaggio GTS250 188
  10. Suzuki GSX-R1000 161
125cc bikes are popular because you can drive them from 16 years, for a proper bike you need to be 21.
 

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Interesting, thanks for the response.

I know it sounds really high, but I'm not kidding, every bike seems like a 900rr, besides one zx10r that blew by me on the autobahn. I was flying in a volvo at 134 mph, and this thing was a blur coming by...
 

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Get to the 'ring. You're mind will be blown!

Uk:- Seems that latest is best, my 900RR is definitely in the minority at the meeting places. I have noticed that there are more and more cruisers or BMW GS's out and about these days.
 

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we (Germany) don't have too many 'big' new sportsbike, because you simply cannot afford the taxes/registration and insurance on them (the difference in the purchase price is not even the worst) the other thing (I don't if applicable anymore) but you could not register anything what had more than 100hp. And what's the point to have this new super bike when you put stuff in to reduce it to 100hp.
In Germany lots of bikes are reduced power by the way anyway since there is the two step license:
Firstly, you have a real riding test before you get the license (when you have the license your riding skills are at a level you can take on any rush hour traffic twisties or Autobahn - as a matter of fact you have to go there for your test) Not like this joke here in the US but also costs much more then consequently. With that you get a license with the ristriction of max 34hp (formerly 27hp) bikes after two years and beeing riding a bike during this time you can upgrade to the 'open' version. (in my days the open version was another written and even more skills/traffic test, now you don't have to do the extra tests anymore). So the first two years you're putting along on somehthing really small and slow. That's probably why you see so many small bikes there. This is what you do for the 'real' license when you're 18. There are also other classes for when you're 16 (but then for even slower less powerful bikes/scooters/mopeds)

Have fun in Europe!
 

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Alright, thats fair. I've been driving here a bit, and it is much much more stressful than even in a somewhat larger American city like Seattle. Driving here is so involved I can definately see how younger people are limited to a certain hp range ==> i almost agree with it :)

Once past the 'higher' certification, I cant imagine that youre still limited to 100 hp on a bike, I mean I'm seeing RUF tuned GT2s with 500+ hp flying around here, so why not have superbikes that are also unlimited??
 

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the 100hp is/was for for bikes only. Must be something about the weight/power ratio (cars were not limited to that). But as I said I don't know if that is still applicable since the laws in all European countries got somehow conformed at some point. Even if you could do it legally right now the insurance and registration will eat you up then even more. And you definitely not want to mess with your hp number (determines insurance rates). Usually, if a bike (especially a fast one) gets into an accident in question it goes right away on the dyno and if the numbers don't match...
 

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Wow that is vicious!

Can you at all give me an estimate of monthly insurance cost for an 05 1krr for example??
 
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