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I think that's the least of your worries. The US news teams today (Fox for example) are so concerned that people might actually believe the jokes coming from the Saturday night live comedians more than them that they're wasting air-time trying to counter what was said.

That's far more telling and damning than whether of not either of these idiots pull the race card. How the hell did you guys end up with such a p*ss poor choice for president again? It almost defies belief :rolleyes:
 

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The fact that it's those two standing for election makes me feel the cards were well and truly stacked unfairly. If that's true, it doesn't really matter who you vote for or why. The "real" boss is sitting quietly somewhere smoking a cigarette, stroking a white Persian cat, calling himself Ernst and saying, "Buzinezz as uzual, my Friendz!"
 

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The only reference to race in that article is below:

"If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!"


And in context, she is saying that if the wealthiest members of your nation keep up the current economic path to disaster the poorest members of your nation will become increasingly disenfranchised.

This is not a "race card" this is an article about the poor getting f**ked by the rich and the fact that, as she sees it, the republicans will do nothing to address the increasing divide between the rich and the poor.

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The only reference to race in that article is below:

"If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!"


And in context, she is saying that if the wealthiest members of your nation keep up the current economic path to disaster the poorest members of your nation will become increasingly disenfranchised.

This is not a "race card" this is an article about the poor getting f**ked by the rich and the fact that, as she sees it, the republicans will do nothing to address the increasing divide between the rich and the poor.

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What's the problem, Dr? The poor have been getting fu*ked since forever...
Maybe that's why there's so many of 'em:huh:
 

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This is not a "race card" this is an article about the poor getting f**ked by the rich and the fact that, as she sees it, the republicans will do nothing to address the increasing divide between the rich and the poor.

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There's an answer. I could see this only happening once and then the poor learn how important the rich are. You elect your president and pay the taxes they set; others will vote for the other guy. At the end of four years, the poor will be worse off. Why is that. Because the rich didn't vote for the guy that promised visions of gander for the poor. The poor did and now he has no way to pay for the services the poor enjoy. No money from people that have no money means they get nothing.
 

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There's an answer. I could see this only happening once and then the poor learn how important the rich are. You elect your president and pay the taxes they set; others will vote for the other guy. At the end of four years, the poor will be worse off. Why is that. Because the rich didn't vote for the guy that promised visions of gander for the poor. The poor did and now he has no way to pay for the services the poor enjoy. No money from people that have no money means they get nothing.
That works both ways, Ian. Once in power, the guy that did promise to help spends the first 2-3 years meeting with lobbyists for the rich. There are no real lobbyists for the poor. Ergo, the poor get fu*k all all the time.
 

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There is so much partial truths and spin from and about both of these candidates that you would need to have spent the last four years reading and studying all thier voting records and comments and then speaking about it in full truths with no bias to have it make sense to all, in essene dumbing it down to laymen terms for it to actually have any effect on the outcome of the Presidential voting. Even then, most Americans don't hear what they don't want to hear and only take the what they do want to hear to heart and stand behind it. There are two voters here, those whow vote for black or white and those that vote for experience and inexperience(fresh/new). This is not a hit for either candidate, just what I see as how Americans will vote. I am a veteran and believe in experience, it just sucks that here we are preparing a case for the lesser of two incorrect choices again when picking the leader of this Nation. God help us all, I think both have good qualities but at the same time disagree with some of each of their policies....ugh....there will be discontent with whoever wins, as usual.:thumbd:
 

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The U.S. is not a socialist country. Why should the U.S. citizens stand for forced wealth redistribution? You are free to make as much money as you can. Performance pays. Is it any different in the UK? Are there not poor everywhere?

Poor becomes a state of mind. Education is the answer.
 

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The U.S. is not a socialist country. Why should the U.S. citizens stand for forced wealth redistribution? You are free to make as much money as you can. Performance pays. Is it any different in the UK? Are there not poor everywhere?

Poor becomes a state of mind. Education is the answer.
:plus1: ...I feel very fotunate to be not be in the poor class, having only a High School education even! I wonder if the roles were reversed though if I wouldn't be screaming from the mountain tops about my plight? :huh:
 

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:plus1: ...I feel very fotunate to be not be in the poor class, having only a High School education even! I wonder if the roles were reversed though if I wouldn't be screaming from the mountain tops about my plight? :huh:
Could well be. There are a lot of factors in the poor state of mind, as I see it.

Many environmental factors contribute to that from early on in your life. If you are born into what feels like a hopeless situation, it's very difficult to see the forest for the trees.

A poor culture perpetuates a poor culture (talking about localized cultures, say a particular neighborhood) where very few break out and see the world with open eyes. In some hoods, it is common to have a negative attitude towards do-gooders that are trying to succeed. As children we succumb to this peer pressure and only strive to achieve what others and we ourselves come to believe we are capable of achieving.

Gotta pop that bubble for as many youth as we can.

The right kind of education is the way to solve poverty. The last thing a poor state of mind driven group of people need is a pat on the back and fat check. They need to be believed in, they need to have high expectations for themselves and from others around them.

It sounds too simple, maybe I'm too idealistic <shrug>
 

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Could well be. There are a lot of factors in the poor state of mind, as I see it.

Many environmental factors contribute to that from early on in your life. If you are born into what feels like a hopeless situation, it's very difficult to see the forest for the trees.

A poor culture perpetuates a poor culture (talking about localized cultures, say a particular neighborhood) where very few break out and see the world with open eyes. In some hoods, it is common to have a negative attitude towards do-gooders that are trying to succeed. As children we succumb to this peer pressure and only strive to achieve what others and we ourselves come to believe we are capable of achieving.

Gotta pop that bubble for as many youth as we can.

The right kind of education is the way to solve poverty. The last thing a poor state of mind driven group of people need is a pat on the back and fat check. They need to be believed in, they need to have high expectations for themselves and from others around them.

It sounds too simple, maybe I'm too idealistic <shrug>
:plus1: ....no hand outs, everyone wants to feel like they have earned an honest days pay, pride seems to or should get in the way of a hand out. Hmm..how do we do what you say we should do, that should be the question we ask and hold Obama/McCain accountable for? Maybe better salaries for teachers, maybe a sliding scale for improvement and performance using a threshold of graduates and SAT scores...who knows. I think they tried something like that already with the MCASS testing in No Child Left behind, this will or did not work because of the lack of funding for the teachers, lack of motivation for the teachers, lack of support by the parents and relatives, lack of law enforcement to get the gangs out of the schools they were targeting, ad infinitum...
 
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