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It looks sharp, but it's nylon and the pads don't look like they'd offer much, if any, support. It'd be a good summer jacket, but it's hard to beat leathers if you'd ever go down.
 

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I was looking at a full suit on Ebay, but I'm tentative to buy something I haven't seen or tried on. My local shop has 3 or 4 armored textile summer weight jackets on their shelves ( it hits over 100 degrees here) for $80-$120. I'll bet yours does too. They probably won't say "Honda" but at least you'll know what your buying. I'd hope that if it's officially licensed by Honda that the quality would be acceptable, at least it'll fair better than a tee shirt.
 

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I was looking at a full suit on Ebay, but I'm tentative to buy something I haven't seen or tried on. My local shop has 3 or 4 armored textile summer weight jackets on their shelves ( it hits over 100 degrees here) for $80-$120. I'll bet yours does too. They probably won't say "Honda" but at least you'll know what your buying. I'd hope that if it's officially licensed by Honda that the quality would be acceptable, at least it'll fair better than a tee shirt.

It's from China, so definitely not a licenced product :)
 

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In the description of the product in eBay it sais that it is 100% pure nylon.So I would prefer a leather or a cordura jacket for riding:)
 

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I would stick with a trusted manufacturer Joe Rocket, Icon ect. at least you know what you are getting

I wouldn't bet on that, Joe Rocket stuff is made in Pakistan I think?
Don't know about Icon, but lots of brands are using the same stuff from the same factories as the unbranded stuff.
 

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I wouldn't bet on that, Joe Rocket stuff is made in Pakistan I think?
Don't know about Icon, but lots of brands are using the same stuff from the same factories as the unbranded stuff.

JoeRocket! That's what I have and I love it. Good quality, pads would actually do something if I went down and I got it on Craigslist for $50 and it looks brand new! :thumb: Well that was over a year ago, so it looks a little dirty now!
 

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JoeRocket! That's what I have and I love it. Good quality, pads would actually do something if I went down and I got it on Craigslist for $50 and it looks brand new! :thumb: Well that was over a year ago, so it looks a little dirty now!

Yep, I've been pretty impressed at the bang-for-buck of Pakistani leathers.
 

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your probably very right BR. I don't know where the stuff is made. I have been a paramedic for over 20 years and took care of a lot of riders on and off the track. I can say there is a big difference in how well the big name gear holds up over the no name. now that is not lab testing just what I have seen.
 

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your probably very right BR. I don't know where the stuff is made. I have been a paramedic for over 20 years and took care of a lot of riders on and off the track. I can say there is a big difference in how well the big name gear holds up over the no name. now that is not lab testing just what I have seen.

I would agree with you to some degree, although not so much with name as price, if you spend more for your suit it's likely to withstand crashing better. A $3000 Kushitani race suit would certainly protect you better than a $300 Pakistani suit, but the $300 suit is far better than not wearing any leather at all. Basically, there are far more people surviving their crashes better simply because there is cheaper leather on the market.
I'm sure that any of the suit manufacturers would be more than happy to make you a suit to a higher spec if you ask for it, and pay the price.

It really lies with the rider as to how much they're willing to spend on their protection. There was a thread here recently from a guy that has been wearing the same lid for ten years, and that was secondhand when he got it. If somebody won't even spend the $100 or so required to protect their brain, they're unlikely to spend ten times that on protecting their organs and extremities :)
 

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It really lies with the rider as to how much they're willing to spend on their protection. There was a thread here recently from a guy that has been wearing the same lid for ten years, and that was secondhand when he got it. If somebody won't even spend the $100 or so required to protect their brain, they're unlikely to spend ten times that on protecting their organs and extremities :)

hey, hey, hey Blade, you're talking about me there!! And, in addition, you're not recalling correctly. The helmet I got secondhand with my first bike, and recently found out it was 10 years old and that helmets only have a safe lifespan of around 5 years. I've been riding for only 3 years, so I've been using it for just 3. It was not ignorance/carelessness on my behalf, nor reluctance to pay the "100 or so it requires to protect my brain", I just had no idea. Proof of that being that as soon as I found out, I went and shelled out over 1100 in 2 new helmets in the span of a week!
 

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hey, hey, hey Blade, you're talking about me there!! The helmet I got secondhand with my first bike, and recently found out it was 10 years old and that helmets only have a safe lifespan of around 5 years. It was not ignorance/carelessness on my behalf, I just had no idea. Proof of that being that as soon as I found out, I went and shelled out over 1100 in 2 new helmets in the span of a week!

I wasn't having a dig at you for it, just an example that was fresh in my mind :)
Ummm..."ignorance" and "had no idea" are the same thing ;-)

Is the price of the lids you chose the reason you're looking at an $80 jacket though?
 

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I wasn't having a dig at you for it, just an example that was fresh in my mind :)
Ummm..."ignorance" and "had no idea" are the same thing ;-)

Is the price of the lids you chose the reason you're looking at an $80 jacket though?
Yes I meant I just wasn't aware of that fact regarding helmets, but the way you said it seemed to have a negative connotation ("if somebody won't even spend the $100 or so required to protect their brain....etc etc"). Money is hard earned for me (as well as for the majority of people) + my lack of knowledge of helmet facts = my wearing of a 10 y/o helmet, not my reluctance to pay for protection. Anywayssss, just thought I'd clear that up for ya ;)

and no that's not why I looked at the Honda jacket specifically. I just liked the look of that jacket, and was wondering what the difference is between the cheap ones and good ones. I bought myself a new icon stunt jacket and upgraded the back armor yesterday.

I know you can't put a price on safety, but my pockets are finite in depth. That's why I chose to protect my head with top notch gear and get a synthetic jacket instead of full leather. So yes, I chose to spend the majority of my budget on protecting my head, and couldn't afford an expensive leather jacket/pants. But, in doing so, I believe I did the right thing.

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hey, hey, hey Blade, you're talking about me there!! And, in addition, you're not recalling correctly. The helmet I got secondhand with my first bike, and recently found out it was 10 years old and that helmets only have a safe lifespan of around 5 years. I've been riding for only 3 years, so I've been using it for just 3. It was not ignorance/carelessness on my behalf, nor reluctance to pay the "100 or so it requires to protect my brain", I just had no idea. Proof of that being that as soon as I found out, I went and shelled out over 1100 in 2 new helmets in the span of a week!

Since you edited the post...
I checked and my recall is actually better than I thought.
http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/107886-how-helmets-supposed-fit.html#post1162364
All you stated is the following:
"I'm used to my 10+ year old kbc size Large helmet which came with my second bike."
I agree though that I assumed that meant the lid had been used for 10+ years. You may have mentioned the extra information in another thread, but there's no clarification like that in the thread I referred to ;-)

It wasn't actually the ten-year-old lid that concerned me as much as the fact that it was secondhand and "came with the bike" instead of the result of buying a properly-fitting lid.

I don't think there's any specific use-by date for lids. Their usefulness is much more down to how they are treated and how well they fit. When it starts to get loose then it's time to replace the padding at least, and probably more cost-effective to simply replace it with a new lid.
 

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Yes I meant I just wasn't aware of that fact regarding helmets.

and no that's not why I looked at the Honda jacket specifically. I just liked the look of that jacket, and was wondering what the difference is between the cheap ones and good ones. I bought myself a new icon stunt jacket and upgraded the back armor yesterday.

I know you can't put a price on safety, but my pockets are finite in depth. That's why I chose to protect my head with top notch gear and get a synthetic jacket instead of full leather. So yes, I chose to spend the majority of my budget on protecting my head, and couldn't afford an expensive leather jacket/pants. But, in doing so, I believe I did the right thing.

Absolutely correct there, cheaper protection is _far_ better than no protection.
 

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Since you edited the post...
I checked and my recall is actually better than I thought.
http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/107886-how-helmets-supposed-fit.html#post1162364
All you stated is the following:
"I'm used to my 10+ year old kbc size Large helmet which came with my second bike."
I agree though that I assumed that meant the lid had been used for 10+ years. You may have mentioned the extra information in another thread, but there's no clarification like that in the thread I referred to ;-)

It wasn't actually the ten-year-old lid that concerned me as much as the fact that it was secondhand and "came with the bike" instead of the result of buying a properly-fitting lid.

I don't think there's any specific use-by date for lids. Their usefulness is much more down to how they are treated and how well they fit. When it starts to get loose then it's time to replace the padding at least, and probably more cost-effective to simply replace it with a new lid.
oops, did I say came with my second bike? I meant it came with my first bike ;) haha...even better. It fit just about perfect for a used helmet, which is why I was never lead into thinking I needed new one.
 

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Why should you replace your helmet every five years?

The five-year replacement recommendation is based on a consensus by both helmet manufacturers and the Snell Foundation. Glues, resins and other materials used in helmet production can affect liner materials. Hair oils, body fluids and cosmetics, as well as normal "wear and tear" all contribute to helmet degradation. Petroleum based products present in cleaners, paints, fuels and other commonly encountered materials may also degrade materials used in many helmets possibly degrading performance. Additionally, experience indicates there will be a noticeable improvement in the protective characteristic of helmets over a five-year period due to advances in materials, designs, production methods and the standards. Thus, the recommendation for five-year helmet replacement is a judgment call stemming from a prudent safety philosophy.

this was copied from the Snell Foundation and I posted it just as an FYI. as always it is up to the rider what risk they want to take.
 

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As part of the EMT, EMT-I And Paramedic classes I teach I include classes on gear and helmets. As I developed this part of the class I did a ton of research on how gear and helmets are made. It is no accident that this stuff saves your but. The manufactures spend millions on testing and research to provide the best protection possible. I always recommend that everyone do their best to learn about the gear they put on their body and the helmets they protect their squash with. Money should be the second thing they think of IMO. There is a lot great gear out there in a wide price range. I just recommend that you learn all you can and get the best you can afford. not just buying something because it looks cool.
 

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Why should you replace your helmet every five years?

The five-year replacement recommendation is based on a consensus by both helmet manufacturers and the Snell Foundation. Glues, resins and other materials used in helmet production can affect liner materials. Hair oils, body fluids and cosmetics, as well as normal "wear and tear" all contribute to helmet degradation. Petroleum based products present in cleaners, paints, fuels and other commonly encountered materials may also degrade materials used in many helmets possibly degrading performance. Additionally, experience indicates there will be a noticeable improvement in the protective characteristic of helmets over a five-year period due to advances in materials, designs, production methods and the standards. Thus, the recommendation for five-year helmet replacement is a judgment call stemming from a prudent safety philosophy.

this was copied from the Snell Foundation and I posted it just as an FYI. as always it is up to the rider what risk they want to take.
Cool info, rikk. Thanks. Does the 5 year apply more so to the helmets that are Snell approved? As in, do non-Snell approved helmets have a longer lifespan?
 
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