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soon2b954 said:
I like to wait a week or two just to see if any bugs are found.

It's not a question of "IF" bugs will be found. Its "how many" bugs will be found. :rant: Microsoft has a long history of releasing fixes that have more problems than what it is intended to fix.
 

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How Will Apps Fare with XP SP2?

"For quite some time now, Norton's had trouble working with just about every OS you can think of, anyway," Martell said.

Indeed, Symantec has posted a notice on its own Web site stating that it's working on an upgrade for SP2, to be released Aug. 10. Symantec also has asked customers to postpone SP2 installation until the Norton patch is complete.

Other anti-virus software companies, such as Finland-based F-Secure and Trend Micro Inc., have already released XP upgrades to their own anti-virus software product suites.

For its part, Microsoft has been sketchy about which applications from other vendors might suffer from XP incompatibilities. Meanwhile, in Usenet newsgroups, beta testers have blamed SP2 for problems with a wide range of software apps, including RealPlayer, print servers, and Doom and other games, to list a few.
In a posting to the "beta" section of the same newsgroup on July 19, a developer from Tech-Pro Utilities claimed that when build 2149 was installed, the company's freeware utilities stopped working.

The developer added that he's discovered a workaround, but that it involves renaming the company's VDSPOPUP.DLL to something that doesn't use the word "popup," and then recompiling the whole app.
 

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From DSLreports.com....
XP SP2 watch continues: A hotfix issued and a 'highly critical' exploit found:
The Hotfix:Microsoft has issued a hotfix for XP SP2 to solve a problem in which programs that attempt to connect to loopback addresses other than 127.0.0.1 get error messages. Since it is a hotfix, it is not fully supported. It is expected that Microsoft will issue a more permanent fix in the future.
The Vulnerability: Meanwhile, security researchers are reporting a new vulnerability in SP2 that could allow a malicious Web site to deposit an attack program on a user's system. The attack utilizes IE's drag-and-drop features and the Windows "shell folders" to copy an executable from a malicious Web site to a user's startup folder, from which it would execute the next time the user logged on. The report was echoed by Secunia. Secunia asserts that the attack also works on a fully patched XP SP1 system, and that the drag-and-drop approach could be replaced with a single click..
 

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I put it on my laptop briefly but it hosed up tcp/ip so I pulled it off. :idunno: We have a PC with a clean install and it seems to be fine. Something on my laptop didn't like it though. Maybe it doesn't play well with Zonealarm :huh: ? I didn't care enough to really troubleshoot it.
 

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This summer, I attended the Windows XP Service Pack 2 "Airlift", which was held at Microsoft's campus in Redmond (WA). MS paid for two people from the group I'm in (at my company) to fly out to the two-day event, where they had a dozen specialists in different areas (i.e. firewall, Group Policy, etc.) come in to speak and answer questions from the IT pros in attendance (over 400 of them, from large companies all over the world, but admittedly mostly here in the US).

I think we all left with a sense of doom and a knowledge of the enormous task before us: configuring, testing, deploying and supporting XP SP2. However, we also left with a much greater understanding of the seemingly impossible position Microsoft is in (perpetually, but specifically with patches and upgrades.

Some things to think about:

- ANY operating system has vulnerabilities. Microsoft is a popular target because they're so successful. It's for the same reasons most of the world hates the USA, and most of the US hates the Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys. People love a winner, but only for a short time. Apparently, it's human nature to root for the underdog, be thrilled when he wins, and then take glee in cutting him down and watching him fail again. So the point is that the Microsof OS of your choice may not be any more vulnerable than OS 9/X, Linux, etc...but because there are morons who spend all their time trying to find and exploit Microsoft's vulnerabilities (while leaving the others alone), public perception is that Microsoft is incompetent.

- It cannot POSSIBLY be Microsoft's responsibility to make sure its software works with the millions of software applications that are out there. In short, if you MUST use a product from a third party vendor that does not work with the latest MS OS or SP, then don't install that latest OS or SP. Sure, you'll have an OS with security vulnerabilities, but that third party application vendor has some culpability when it comes to making their apps work on the business and personal computing platform of choice. If recent IT history has shown us anything, it's that exploits are becoming increasingly popular, and the OS vendor has no choice but to modify its code to keep up.

- End users (home and business alike) are morons. One of the Microsoft presenters relayed a story about a test someone did. Apparently a plan was devised to see how many idiot users would open a questionable e-mail attachment, despite having a virus warning right in the very message that accompanied it. Needless to say, the results were predictable; most (like 80%) recipients of the message attempted to open the attachment in spite of the warning. The amazing thing is that when nothing visible "happened", the majority of those users tried to open it a second time! (And no, they apparently weren't all Red Sox fans. ;))

- Testing is key. If you want a more secure OS, install SP2. But don't just do it willy-nilly. Create a full backup (Ghost or the like) of your entire drive(s), as well as a separate backup of your data (files, pictures, etc.). Then install the Service Pack, and one by one, try your applications. Some may break. It's not Microsoft's fault; get an update (if one ever comes available) from the third-party vendor for your software. If you're an IT pro who's looking to deploy SP2, you likely have an idea how to plan your testing and deployment strategy...but the key is testing. If you have a business-critical (or "personal-critical") application that doesn't work with SP2, then you might consider waiting until that application DOES work with SP2 before doing a production/large-scale deployment.

- We need to hunt down and kill the bastards who write these malicious OS/code exploits. And while we're at it, we need to thank the people who FIND the vulnerabilities to begin with...but ALSO kill the "do-gooders" who make available (publicly) details on exactly what the exploit is, and how one might take advantage of it. Apparently these morons think they're doing the computing world a favor by showing the manufacturers how a vulnerability in their product can be exploited, but the fact is, more often than not, one of their moron hacker buddies takes that information and runs with it...and then suddenly we have another virus outbreak. The operating system doesn't create the virus, people do. Blaming Microsoft for virus outbreaks is like blaming gun manufacturers for homocides involving guns.

- Windows Firewall: don't enable it if you have/use and are comfortable with a third-party firewall package. Many of our clients use ZoneAlarm (specifically, Integrity Desktop from ZoneLabs), and we will not be using the lesser-featured Windows Firewall. And for people who aren't too technically-savvy: If you're using Windows (or any) Firewall, and you can't access something you need to, it's not the firewall product's fault...in fact, the firewall is doing EXACTLY what it's intended to do. Any firewall needs to be properly configured to allow the traffic you need to, and to block traffic you want to keep out. It's a big task, and the firewall isn't going to configure itself.

- "a long history of releasing fixes that have more problems than what it is intended to fix"??? Hmmm. Any examples? (Or are you just exaggerating?)

Kudos to Microsoft for doing its best (a huge and ambitious undertaking) to keep its products as safe as possible...and a big "F you" to hackers who try to make life miserable for the rest of us.
 

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I've been testing it prior to our roll out at work and have it on two laptops and a desktop at the moment with no real problems. One of the laptops and the desktop were already had XP with SP1 installed and the other laptop had a clean install of XP done from a XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed into it.

Biggest problems so far:

Symantec AV - The new MS Security Center is unable to check the status of the AV software, but the AV software IS still working correctly. A quick patch from Symantec and problem solved.

New MS Firewall - Problem is it works like it's supposed to so some apps will have to be added to the exceptions list before they will work correctly. This is what will take the most testing for me. The last thing I need is end users calling up and trying to explain a problem they don't understand (and it seems they always think they have the answers for them too).

I've still got to define what group policies I want to use, but so far testing has been much smother then I was expecting.

I have to agree with TAZ, MS takes a lot of heat, some of it is warranted and some isn't. Being the biggest also makes them the biggest target. There is NO OS that is perfect, yes Macs and PCs with Linux can and do crash, and do have there own security issues. I really do hope though that Linux and the Mac can and do increase their market share and pressure on Microsoft, competition can only make all of them better products.
 

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I don't fink MS had a choice but to roll out SP2 as they did. They have accountability to their customers that legitimately bought XP. If a 3rd party app don't work, too bad for you. Switch to someone else who probably already has a fix (or didn't break because of it.)

I applaud MS for SP2, it's what we always wanted, and then once it's here, we were pissed off for being inconvenienced.... dumb.

I love my SP2. (Oddly enuf, as I type, I'm still running SP1a at home... hahaha)
 

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I run and test more than 200 applications on a weekly basis for my systems and those of my clients. Other than needing to add a few obvious exceptions to the firewall, I have yet to have an application issue running SP2. I think Taz has put the most tempered and realistic spin on the current vogue of Microsoft bashing. Honestly, I have had more issues with apps not running on non-intel (ie: AMD) hardware than with any of the Microsoft patches. Try calling Joe's software and telling them you are having problems running their app and spend 3 hours running through hoops only to answer the eventual question of "what hardware are you running this on?" and answer AMD. The support call usually ends right there, as most application developers only develop and test on Intel based hardware and essentially: "Sorry pal, you're on your own" is the eventual answer . . .
 

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From the installs I have done so far:

If you have a D-link Wireless card, uninstall the D-link software. Seems the new windows wireless software in SP2 conflicts pretty well with the D-link software. With no D-link software the wireless worked fine.

Second thing that nuked a box was having a program like System mechanic running on it. Any thing that fools with the registry around boot up, the computer will crap itself upon reboot. That one was nuked beyond repair, it got reformated. So make sure you uninstall any system doctor, system mechanioc, system works.....and so on. If you get brave, try and reinstall once SP2 is done applying.

Thats all I have for bugs so far, we are only putting it on machines we can closely watch for now. I have it on my home box with no problems so far though.
 

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It's considered mandatory by every computer savvy person I know.

I just had to nuke my box and start over. SP2 is one heck of an update at this point!
 
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