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Anyone on here work for the central ticket office and is open to bribary??:D

Yes i've just got into biking & got caught by the blimin coppers in there little white van doing 64 in a 40, hiding behind the bloody bushes they were!! Little tinkers:banghead:

The thing was, it was a nice clear day, dry roads AND it was on A DUAL CARRIAGEWAY!!

I will be on 6 points and it's not even summer, think i want to cry:crying:
 

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Anyone on here work for the central ticket office and is open to bribary??:D

Yes i've just got into biking & got caught by the blimin coppers in there little white van doing 64 in a 40, hiding behind the bloody bushes they were!! Little tinkers:banghead:

The thing was, it was a nice clear day, dry roads AND it was on A DUAL CARRIAGEWAY!!

I will be on 6 points and it's not even summer, think i want to cry:crying:
Guttin:thumbd: That used to annoy the heck outta me when I lived in UK, Dual Carriageways,,BUT 40 mph:idunno: :idunno: And we're talking MILES of it:(
 

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It came through the post from central ticket office.

The thing was i remember seeing the van at the last second at which point was too late to slow down & it was on the opposite side of the dual carriageway:crap:
 

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It came through the post from central ticket office.

The thing was i remember seeing the van at the last second at which point was too late to slow down & it was on the opposite side of the dual carriageway:crap:
I got done like that in 2004. Had 60 quid fine and a couple of points. I was doing 81 I think on a 70mph dual carriageway. Raglan bypass.
 

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It came through the post from central ticket office.

The thing was i remember seeing the van at the last second at which point was too late to slow down & it was on the opposite side of the dual carriageway:crap:
Brilliant.... not for getting the ticket but because of this...

They are not allowed to 'hide'. They have to be in plain sight on the side of the road.. you can argue the ticket on that :thumb::thumb:

Make sure to ask for a copy of the calibration certificate for the device for that day, plus also proof that a 'test' vehicle was driven past at 40mph to check the correct calibration of the device. They have to do that, its in the guidelines..

Try to find out what device was used by them.. as there are doubts about the accuracy of some of them due to possible radio interference..

This is the Guidelines for use book, as published by the Association Of Police Officers - Link
 

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It came through the post from central ticket office.

The thing was i remember seeing the van at the last second at which point was too late to slow down & it was on the opposite side of the dual carriageway:crap:
They would have been in plain sight to someone coming the other way on the carriage way.. but NOT from your direction..

THe "how to book" says this about checking vehicles going in both directions, which presumably it was doing if it was on the other side of the dual carriageway from you
Roadside/vehicle mounted laser/optical meters currently are designed to record vehicles travelling in one direction at a time. Where a device has a switch enabling vehicle speeds to be measured in both directions (either individually or simultaneously) it is important to site the device correctly and in accordance with manufacturers instructions. Where there is a camera attachment it should be correctly aligned.
 

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Thanks loopy lee, thats a lot of info to digest!:huh:

With regards the calibration the FAQ sheet that comes with explains all about the calibration procedures and each device has a built in self diagnostic check so don't think i can go down that route. The van itself was actually in a layby come to think of it, there are bushes around it but i don;t think i'd get away with that one either...:rant:
 

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Thanks loopy lee, thats a lot of info to digest!:huh:

With regards the calibration the FAQ sheet that comes with explains all about the calibration procedures and each device has a built in self diagnostic check so don't think i can go down that route. The van itself was actually in a layby come to think of it, there are bushes around it but i don;t think i'd get away with that one either...:rant:
They HAVE to calibrate the device everytime they set it up to use it and you are quite within your rights to ask for proof that it was done as they have to keep a record that they did it..
 

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But lets be fair about this,we all take that risk and we all know what to expect if we get caught and it sounds to me unfortunatly,you got nailed.I would be realy annoyed too but..........There by the grace go all of us.

Bad luck m8y.
 

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This makes me soooo :mad:

A million more speeding tickets are being issued every year than a decade ago, the Tories said, raising £100m a year in fines.Sadly this is just as money making scheme where we the public are the main sufferes. As if the recession and the the price of fuel wasn't enought o worry about.

The shadow police reform minister, said official figures showed 1,773,412 fixed penalty notices were given to drivers in 2006, up from 712,753 in 1997.

These were for motorists caught on camera as well as those stopped by the police.

Ruffley said: "Ministers need to tell us what they are doing with this £100m a year taken from motorists. How much is actually put back into practical road safety that does not involve speed cameras?
 

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But lets be fair about this,we all take that risk and we all know what to expect if we get caught and it sounds to me unfortunatly,you got nailed.I would be realy annoyed too but..........There by the grace go all of us.

Bad luck m8y.
Yep.. agree with you there but there are guidelines they have to follow when using speed cameras. Most people arn't aware of them and just pay up and get points on their licences..

It's a licence to print money for the Government and in all honesty have the accident rates been cut with all the speed cameras about everywhere we go?
 

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Totally agree! Apparently there was a documentary about how speed cameras cause more accidents than they prevent & was to be screened on the BBC, but was pulled at the last minute by the government as a public demand for an enquiry would have duly followed - which lets face it wouldn't have been good for the coffers!:doh:
 

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They HAVE to calibrate the device everytime they set it up to use it and you are quite within your rights to ask for proof that it was done as they have to keep a record that they did it..
They usually do bring their records with them if u contest your ticket. I beat a cop to death with questions about calibration, interference, effects, and margin of error...at one point he began studdering. But usually at that point the judge will jump in and defend them...Pretty much all they have to say is they tested their machine before their shift, after you were clocked, and after their shift, provide record of test and your goose is cooked. If you're gonna try to beat a ticket, pester the cop with off-the-wall related questions to the device they are using. If they can't answer a question make a note of that to the judge everytime. If you can make him look like he has no idea what he's operating the judge will dismiss your case. Well in most cases, not in virginia... judges play defense attorney for state troopers.
 

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I don't know about the U.K., or other states - in California, there's a little known thing called, "trial by written declaration". Basically, as long as it's a misdemeanor offense, you have the right to conduct the "trial" via the postal service.

Consider this - you have least two things working against you by going to court: (1) The LEO is treated as a professional witness, meaning he/she's been trained to observe and is LIKELY to be more credible than you (ever have a cop ask you, "Do you know why I stopped you?" You show up to court, judge asks cop why the stop, cop looks in the notebook and says, "I asked defendent did he know why the stop. He responded that he was speeding." Judge says, "Guilty!"). Things written down are ALWAYS more credible than your memory... (2) The LEO is getting paid (usually overtime) to attend court. He/she is motivated to be there..

Under a written declaration, you can level set these two advantages. The things you contest (e.g., the radar was not calibrated, the roadway can sustain a higher rate of speed, the survey of the road is out-of-date) must be refuted in writing by the citing officer... This isn't done on overtime, it's done on regular or worse - off-time hours..

FWIW, most cops DON'T have to sustain the calibration story - they do have to be able to prove the thing was calibrated at the time it was used (which is usually done with a certificate) by somebody who is trained to do that sort of thing. Take pestering to the "credible witness" too far, and you're likely to find the fines at the maximum.
 

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Take pestering to the "credible witness" too far, and you're likely to find the fines at the maximum.
True but only if he is on his game, and depending on what they are required to know. VA is the state of minimums, so retarded. Basically all they have to know how to do is turn it on, push the trigger, calibrate/test it, and turn it off. During my case I asked him everything from the frequency of his tuning forks to the doppler effect. His answer was either he isn't required to know or he is not a "professional" in the area of his radar and would have to have a professional present in his defense. In radar/laser there are many factors that can cause inaccurate readings, many many factors.. Pestering is either a hit or miss thing, unless u know the leo you're dealing with.
 
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